Review of Seth Godin’s Tribes :: Web 2.0 World!

Seth recently wrote a book named Tribes, discussing the fusion of leadership, creating movements, and marketing based on word of mouth. Over the last year I have not read as many books as I would like to, but I am glad Seth wrote this one and am glad I took time out to read it. It is affordable and easy to read…I recommend you buy a copy today. :)

Here are my notes and quotes from the book

  • a Tribe needs a shared interest and a way to communicate
  • the marketplace embraces and rewards heretics “It’s clearly more fun to make the rules than to follow them, and for the first time, it’s also profitable, powerful, and productive to do just that.”
  • growth for most new businesses comes from those who want to support change, rather than from competing businesses
  • creating a tighter tribe and/or “transforming the shared interest into a passionate goal and desire for change” usually leads to much more impact than trying to make a tribe bigger. beyond public relations and awareness related benefits, measuring the breadth of spread of an idea is not as important as looking at the depth of commitment and interaction of true fans, who end up being the people who recruit most new members
  • a movement consists of a story, a connection between the tribe and the leader, and something that needs to be done
  • “Life’s too short to fight the forces of change. Life’s too short to hate what you do all day. Life’s way too short to make mediocre stuff. And almost everything that is standard is now viewed as mediocre.” - killer quote for motivating people to embrace change
  • “Leadership is scarce because few people are willing to go through the discomfort required to lead. This scarcity makes leadership valuable.”
  • “Ultimately, people are most easily led where they wanted to go all along.” - a nice way of explaining the importance of bias in publishing
  • “When you fall in love with the system you lose the ability to grow.”
  • “At first, the new thing is rarely as good as the old thing was. If you need the alternative to be better than the status quo from the very start, you’ll never begin.”
  • “Being charismatic doesn’t make you a leader. Being a leader makes you charismatic.”

And to appreciate how strong of a marketer Seth is, I somehow ended up with 3 copies of this book by launch date. I am not sure how that happened, but I think I got1 from Seth, 1 from Amazon.com, and 1 from speaking at a conference Seth spoke at. When I was first getting started on the web I read his book Purple Cow, and then bought a bunch of them in exchange for a one day training at his office. I was so stoked when I saw some of his marketing examples on the table matching things I took pictures of thinking they were good marketing…it was an early sign that I might have had a chance of doing ok on the Internet. :) Thanks for the great books Seth!

I also felt very privledged to be speaking at a conference that guys like Seth and Jakob Nielson were speaking at. When I was speaking I looked out into the audience and saw Jakob Nielson and felt a bit weird about being the guy at the podium…I also remembered reading Jakob’s Designing Web Usability when I first got started on the web…and that was only about 5 years ago.

This Internet thing can send a lot of good luck your way if you stick with it for a few years. :)

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Bad SEOs, bad SEOs, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when SEOMoz comes for you? :: Web 2.0 News and Comment

Rand Outs a company ranking for SEO Company in Google sighting poor links and Aaron disagrees with the decision to write such a post. Who / where do you stand in this argument?

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The SEO Police :: Daily Search Engine Optimizations News


I was a bit disappointed when I saw Rand out yet another website recently. Why was the site outed? Because they were ranking for SEO company and Rand didn’t feel that their backlinks should count (and Rand wanted another excuse to promote his new LinkScape tool).

In his post Rand…

  • claimed that the site ranking #1 for SEO company was an embarrassment to Google and other search engines
  • wrote “Outing manipulative practices (or ANY practices for that matter) that put a page at the top of the rankings is part of our job”
  • wrote “Isn’t the goal of a successful web marketing campaign to build a strategy that is legitimate to survive a manual review by the engines and strong enough to be defensible even to those who peer review or investigate?”

While some may not feel the post was outing, that was the intent of the post…to cause harm to the business highlighted, and to do so for potential personal profit. As Nick Wilsdon wrote:

Yes, Google probably already knows about them but that’s not the point. Once a SERP or a naughty company becomes a public embarrassment, it then gets “cleaned up”. Google can’t be seen to be gamed. There’s an element of politics involved.

ShoeMoney also spoke about that topic in this video, titled Don’t Make Google Look Stupid

And that in itself becomes an issue. Sure most of us want to be able to have our sites pass a hand review and stand the test of time, but when things are covered with a negative connotation from a negative frame it makes Google more likely to act against the “spam”…even if it was something that was fine for years.

I had a lively conversation with a search engineer about one of my sites where he stated that he thought the site’s marketing tactics were a bit spammy. 2 other search engines chose to promote that same site editorially with shortcuts. Because of who owns a site it can be seen as being spammy, while the same site is seen as the clear cut category leader worthy of promotion by other search employees who do not have anti-SEO goggles on.

Where this “out everything on principal” strategy goes astray is when a person’s assumption of how the algorithms and editorial policies should work do not match what the search engineers believe. To appreciate that, consider the SEO Book affiliate program. It passed PageRank for years. And then Rand outed it and it stopped passing PageRank.

Recently Rand wrote that Google engineers said that affiliate programs should pass PageRank. So based on what Google engineers say in public, editorial links promoting my affiliate program should pass PageRank, but because Rand chose to out it, it probably never again will.

Shockingly, when asked point blank if affiliate programs that employed juice-passing links (those not using nofollow) were against guidelines or if they would be discounted, the engineers all agreed with the position taken by Sean Suchter of Yahoo!. He said, in no uncertain terms, that if affiliate links came from valuable, relevant, trust-worthy sources - bloggers endorsing a product, affiliates of high quality, etc. - they would be counted in link algorithms. Aaron from Google and Nathan from Microsoft both agreed that good affiliate links would be counted by their engines and that it was not necessary to mark these with a nofollow or other method of blocking link value.

Editorial affiliate links should count, but it was Rand asking “who does Google come down on” that was intended to harm my business to give himself a better competitive position. It was similar to the strategy of blasting Aviva to promote a list of directories people should buy - a profitable strategy, but not one with a north pointing ethical compass.

As to the absurdity to claiming that as a professional SEO’s job to police the organic search results…I can only assume that a person stating such has never had a site hand edited (while seeing factually incorrect sites with spammier links and worse site designs continue to rank in the same results). If you read the Google remote rater documents you can see how things are open to interpretation. If you read the remote search quality rater documents leaked from 2003, 2005, and 2007 you can see how they changed over the years.

Years ago I might have thought reporting all spam was a good idea, but after experiencing and seeing the arbitrary and uneven nature of the editing it is not what I would consider a relevant mindset for SEO in 2008. When I was starting out in search my mentor told me “you can’t really appreciate how the game works until you lose a site” and once you do, feeling like it is your job to out spam seems a bit small minded and short sighted.

If Rand really believes that “Outing manipulative practices (or ANY practices for that matter) that put a page at the top of the rankings is part of our job” then why does he offer a testimonial on the Text Link Ads website when Matt Cutts has clearly stated that buying text links is manipulative and outside their guidelines? Does he turn in his own clients for link buying?

Patrick’s dedication to providing excellent services echoes in all of his employees and the company as a whole. Support and response times are exceptionally fast, and the process of buying links couldn’t be easier. - Rand Fishkin

How can you suggest people should buy links and then out them for doing so? Someone is either being intellectually dishonest or economical with the truth.

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Why Do Good SEO Services Cost So Much? :: Adsense Marketing News

Posted by Kenneth Dreyer

I often face questions from clients regarding services they may feel are priced very high. Those who question high priced SEO services have in almost all cases spoken to one of two kinds of people, which I will describe below:

  1. The "SEO is piece of cake" guy. There will always be those who brag about how easy SEO is just because they managed to rank in some niche with nearly no competition at all. This guy is most likely a friend and have never worked with a SEO company. At most he is a freelance consultant struggling to put food on the table. He’s been working with putting up websites for some years and gets his Internet income from various affiliate programs and, of course, Adsense. He managed to rank a niche website with low competition with no budget, just by building average content using title, h1 and meta-tags.
  2. The "low-cost with 100% guaranteed results" guy. I think this must be my favourite. They’re also the experts on cold calls/emails. They offer low cost services with excellent results. Even better, they offer guarantees. These guys have various methods of achieving this. Sometimes it includes ranking you in a search engine you’ve never heard of, other times they can offer you links on blogs set up a few weeks ago, with no inbound links except for their own sites (and thanks to Linkscape, avoiding these just got so much easier).

So after speaking with clients who have previously met with one of these two guys, I always get asked this question: "Why do your SEO services cost so much, especially when you can’t guarantee the same results?" I kind of hate getting this question because it makes me feel like a sleazy sales guy trying to trash my competitors.

I go on with the normal routine, explaining how no one can guarantee results in Google. I’ve so far made myself understood every time (at least it looks so). Then I explain that if their site is in a niche with lots of strong competitors, it will require a bit more than just the title tags and H1. The normal stuff — I’m sure you all know this so I’m not going to bother. However, there is a story that seems to do the trick that you might not have heard before. It’s a famous story and I’ve heard at least a dozen different variants of it. The trick is to relate it:

A man worked at a manufacturing plant as a technician. He was good at his job. One day the plant was sold and the new owner noticed that the machines seemed to run quite fine by themselves and figured that it was a waste of money to pay a full time salary to the technician. The technician was then fired.

A while later one of the most important machines of the manufacturing plant breaks down, leaving all the employees with nothing to do. The plant is losing money every minute and no one can fix it, since the company that produced the machine is out of business. The new owner hesitates, but calls the old technician. The technician shows up, has a quick look at the machine, finds his hammer and gives it a few whacks. The machine starts running smoothly again. He then proceeds to present the owner with the fine:

Invoice:Repair of machinery: $10,000

The owner finds the invoice outrageous and complains to the technician. The technician takes back the invoice and rewrites it:

Invoice: Whacking machinery with hammer: $100. Knowing where and how hard to whack: $9,900.

The owner then paid the bill.

So what is the lesson of the story? It’s simple. Knowing what to do to rank your site is easy. You just got to build a site with good content and structure and trustworthy links. That’s the what, and finding a guide explaining this is simple. They’re all over the Internet. How is the big question, and it’s the how that separates good and bad SEO companies, both in results and price. The customers don’t only pay for the product. They pay for your knowledge as well.

Remember that in most cases you get what you pay for. So people, remember to charge a price you could live with. How much is your knowledge worth?

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Google Says Screw Accuracy as Long As You’re An Authority :: Web Design Tools

I’ve often chided google for trusting wikipedia so much when Wikipedia says we don’t care about accuracy or truth, just verifiability. It now looks like they’ve taken it a step further and pitched truth out the window with the dodgeball development team. Here’s a screen shot from Sunday afternoon where according to the Google SERP’s […]
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Finding the Most Popular Blog Posts :: Blog-O-Sphere News

Been messing around with aiderss.com
It looks at a number of variables and tries to sort out the best posts from a blog. I have applied it to the digg monster cracked.com. It’s very useful for picking out headline ideas.

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Live Results Becoming More Relevant Than Google? :: Blog-O-Sphere News

Dave Snyder writes "So I was doing some research yesterday, and was noticing a drastic difference in the quality of the Live search results.

I decided to do comparative analysis, and was stunned to begin finding that Live’s results were actually

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